NAZIS OR SOV'S?!

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Permalink Reply by Stalker Taint on February 13, 2012 at 6:11am

... Fennek. I take it you really must come from Russia. Explains why you aren't educated. Did you know they don't give the common man or woman an education in Russia? Why? Because it's a threat. You have to exceed in everything you do to even hope to get into a school and to learn basic math, geometry, history, science and then they just take you and throw you into a station like a lab or a government building to continue work for the country. Denial? Justification? You're the only one in denial. You reject the thought that Communism was even close to something bad. Putin himself said, “Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.” You denied being in your own little fantasy world about it, yet you're so absorbed that you can't even put two and two together to tell that you aren't just in it, but you're being consumed by it.

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Permalink Reply by Redrum: the undead juggalo on February 8, 2012 at 3:48pm

hitler was a fool, and nearly drove his country into the ground.

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Permalink Reply by KOMRAD RHINO☭ on February 9, 2012 at 6:01am

agreed. it took decades for that country to rebound and the effects Hitler had are felt there to this day. i have heard from a lot of people i knew who went there telling how a person out of the clear blue will come up and apologize for what he did and it has been how many years now since WWII? 70+ years ago? and these are the young people doing it as well as the old. if you go to Russia, you dont hear that there. Why? Stalin didnt try to spread his madness all over the world. thats not saying he was any better. they fed off each other. but Hitler impacted the world way more because he wanted to make his atrocities a global thing.

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Permalink Reply by Stalker Taint on February 13, 2012 at 6:06am

So you blame Hitler when the country itself was being torn apart in a power struggle and still managed to prosper under the chains of both Communism and Capitalism? You know, a country with two halves does not always make it a whole. And Stalin DID try to spread it, or do you not remember the Cold War and his influence on the many countries that wanted to become Communist? No one talked shit about Stalin in his country like we do our Presidents. Why? Because you got killed. Because you 'disappeared' and were never seen again. Because if you did something he didn't like, or a police official didn't like or even your neighbor didn't like you could get reported and immediately go missing or thrown into a labor camp or a gulag and end up worked to death due to the long hours and  bacterial infections, or starvation due to lack of food. Rhino, and I don't mean to offend you, but you haven't gotten around to really discussing anything BAD about Stalin while you just run a train on Hitler. Seriously.

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Permalink Reply by Komrad Scotty ☭ on February 7, 2012 at 8:07pm

Nazi Germany

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Permalink Reply by KOMRAD RHINO☭ on February 7, 2012 at 8:30pm

why NAZI Germany bro?

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Permalink Reply by Stalker Taint on February 13, 2012 at 6:17am

I'd also like to point out. I'm not on either side of this debate. It's just that Russia seems to be a larger area of discussion than Germany.

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Permalink Reply by Zombie_X on February 14, 2012 at 9:02pm

I'd go with Nazi Germany unfortunately. They were both evil, but Germany was stronger than Russia, only the weather helped turn the tide against them on the Eastern front in WW2. Safer and you only had the SS and Gestapo to fear, with Russia it was everyone. 

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Permalink Reply by KOMRAD RHINO☭ on February 14, 2012 at 10:55pm

actually Russia was the stronger. when Russia and Germany signed their "Non Aggression Treaty". Hitler turned on Germany and declared war on Russia. when the German troops tried to invade. the Russian people used the SCORCHED EARTH style of warfare. with no place for shelter and supplies other then what they brought with them. the German army lost more men due to starvation and exposure then to actual combat and had to return in utter failure to Germany.

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Permalink Reply by Stalker Taint on February 15, 2012 at 8:30am

Once more, that's not strength. That's a last ditch effort to try and stay alive. Russians don't have anything in the center of their vast country, so instead they were based around where Germany was plowing through. In truth, Germany was stronger, and their military could have devoured the Russians if it wasn't for the cold. They were stalled constantly on the advance, support to forever to arrive, supplies some times didn't get to any camps, and the weather froze soldiers to death. So yes, the weather did kill people. In fact, you put that in your post even though denying that X was right about that.

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Permalink Reply by KOMRAD RHINO☭ on February 15, 2012 at 10:08am

i never denied him anything. i merely pointed out that the terrain and weather being used to their advantage was one of their major strengths. if the Nazis did this then yes, they would have been a superior force there. but they relied mainly on their machines and technology. for all those advances. the Nazis underestimated the fact that the Russian people as a whole would look at it with an "If I cant have it. You won't either" outlook and would rather burn it all and lay it to waist then surrender it to an opposing force. and the cold weather gear the Nazis had was way insufficient for a Siberian winter. Germany's weather in winter is drastically lighter even at its worst in winter. if the German leaders had taken the weather into account in their reconnaissance. then they may have won despite the Scorched Earth policy the whole country took. this and other factors go to show that brute force and higher technology does not make a superior force. if that was the case. the Afghan people would not have been able to have repelled the Russian forces in the early to late 1980's when Russia tried to take over Afghanistan. all the Afghan people had was antique weapons and a few weapons they procured from fallen Russian soldiers and what Stinger Rockets the USA gave them. yet they won. there are cases all through history where what was considered a lesser force repelled what can be considered a superior force.

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Permalink Reply by Zombie_X on February 15, 2012 at 10:34am

The Nazis also failed to take Russia due to Hitler's leadership. His plans were all wrong, and when Russia fought back, I don't think they were expecting that sort of opposition. They were still using the Blitzkrieg tactic, but with the winter weather and fuel shortages slowing them down, nothing could power their mighty tanks. Maybe if Hitler concentrated a little more on logistics instead of sending them forward with no supply lines, then the outcome may have been different. He could have destroyed Britain easy, if he had maintained the bombing of the airfields, destroying the RAF which later on would keep us in the fight. The tactic of bombing our cities to lower morale had the exact opposite effect and our production rates went through the roof shortly after, so again a mistake on his part. 

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